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i think they'll tell you another story. >> fellow republicans discuss the fiscal cliff deal. sheila jackson from texas was in the room with the democrats. she joins me now. congresswoman. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris, to you, and happy new year to mesh. >> well, i know you ducked out of the meeting, but can you give us a sense of what it was like in that room? >> i certainly can. first of all, let me thank president obama and vice president biden working as a team on behalf of the american people and for showing the extent of patience that they've had to show over these last couple of months and certainly since august of 2011. there's about an a great deal of patience, and i think as the meeting has begun with the vice president he was appropriately respectful of how challenging an effort this was, but more importantly, how important this was for the american people and the trust that was given to him by the president and leader reid to engage with jord leader mcconnell who had heretofore, if you will, joined with the chorus of naysayers not wanting to do figure.
i think they'll tell you another story. >> fellow republicans discuss the fiscal cliff deal. sheila jackson from texas was in the room with the democrats. she joins me now. congresswoman. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris, to you, and happy new year to mesh. >> well, i know you ducked out of the meeting, but can you give us a sense of what it was like in that room? >> i certainly can. first of all, let me thank president obama and vice president biden working as a...
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to try to strike a last-minute deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> republicans saying they are will be to work with congress and the president to come to an agreement. yesterday, president obama said job leaders have rejected his proposal to make a comprehensive deal. >> we don't yet see an agreement and now, the pressure is on congress to produce. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. there is no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. >> today, senate majority leader harry reid could push for a fallback bill which would only raise taxes on families making $2 other 50á,000 a year or more. that plan would extend unemployment benefits for two million americans. icans. -- on families making $250,000 a year or more. >>> police continue to look for evidence in the murder of a college student. a vigil was held last night at battlefield high school for xavier stringfellow. he was a graduate of the school. he was found stabbed to death friday evening in industry anti. his body was found inside a crashed minivan on a service road off of chain bridge road. police said
to try to strike a last-minute deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> republicans saying they are will be to work with congress and the president to come to an agreement. yesterday, president obama said job leaders have rejected his proposal to make a comprehensive deal. >> we don't yet see an agreement and now, the pressure is on congress to produce. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. there is no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. >> today,...
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. >> we're falling over that fiscal cliff. >> republicans simply can't utter the word yes. >> the president is, i believe, slowing down the process. >> they have no strategy. they don't know what they want. >> kim kardashian is pregnant. >> a lot of democrats get mad at me. >> no deal is better than a bad deal. >> something has gone terribly wrong when the biggest threat to our american economy is our american congress. >> hats off to the president. >> as of this point is looks like i'm going to be spending new year's here in d.c. i can come to your house? is that what you're saying? >> happy new year! >>> grab your party hats, chill the bubbly. just eight hours to go. yes, we are all waiting to cue the confetti with hopes for a last-minute deal to avert the fiscal cliff. with sweeping tax hikes and spending cuts set to take effect at midnight, frantic negotiations are ongoing at this hour with the president teasing the prospect of a deal on at least part of the cliff just hours ago. >> it appears that an agreement to prevent this new year's tax hike is within sight, but it's not done. we w
. >> we're falling over that fiscal cliff. >> republicans simply can't utter the word yes. >> the president is, i believe, slowing down the process. >> they have no strategy. they don't know what they want. >> kim kardashian is pregnant. >> a lot of democrats get mad at me. >> no deal is better than a bad deal. >> something has gone terribly wrong when the biggest threat to our american economy is our american congress. >> hats off to the...
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. >>> if bridging the partisan divide wasn't challenge enough, get ready because the fiscal cliff is far from a done deal. vice president joe biden and mitch mcconnell brokered a deal and, yes, it cleared the senate late last night. but no, the republican-controlled house of representatives hasn't voted on this yet. they are going to convene in about 30 minutes. house democratic caucus is meeting in less than an hour while the house gop leaders are meeting at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. both parties undoubtedly laying the groundwork for the fiscal cliff showdown that will unfold between its 435 house members. one of those members is democratic congressman from michigan. he's kind enough to join me. thank you for being with us today. first of all, if you could get me up to speed on the decision to make a decision v you heard anything about the possibility there might be a vote today with your members? >> i haven't heard directly. i think there will be. i think the vote last night in the senate set the stage. it was overwhelming. we're going to have a caucus democrats and republicans will
. >>> if bridging the partisan divide wasn't challenge enough, get ready because the fiscal cliff is far from a done deal. vice president joe biden and mitch mcconnell brokered a deal and, yes, it cleared the senate late last night. but no, the republican-controlled house of representatives hasn't voted on this yet. they are going to convene in about 30 minutes. house democratic caucus is meeting in less than an hour while the house gop leaders are meeting at 1:00 p.m. eastern time....
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last minute talks in the final hours of the fiscal cliff talks. we'll follow all of it, msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] every time you say no to a cigarette, you celebrate a little win. nicoderm cq, the patch with time release smart control technology that acts fast and helps control cravings all day long. ♪ quit one day at a time with nicoderm cq. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. >>> right now on capitol hill, senate democrats and republicans are working on a deal to avert the fiscal cliff, but time is running out. they now have less than 30 hours to work it out. if we do go over the fiscal cliff
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one of the reasons we are at the fiscal cliff is the republican resolution was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house, so who cared about everything stacked against them. the main proble w obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and romney was the best of a very weak field. he himself was a very odd candidate. after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and a man whose essential issue of the 2010 campaign was obamacare, but he had passed something similar in massachusetts. he had two strikes against him, whichade it very diffilt begins the difficult rigid discipline obama to win. >> i think obama won because republicans underestimated him, and they did it through sell collision that goes back to 2010 when they considered this to be a referendum on barack obama. it was not a referendum on barack obama. it was a referendum on the economy and the incumbent, but not barack obama the person. republicans left the race feeling like this would be a slam-dunk in 2012. they missed the fact that the turnout in 2010
one of the reasons we are at the fiscal cliff is the republican resolution was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house, so who cared about everything stacked against them. the main proble w obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and romney was the best of a very weak field. he himself was a very odd candidate. after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and a man whose essential issue of the 2010 campaign was...
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play brinkmanship with the fiscal cliff. one gop senator is throwing gasoline on the fire, wyoming's john barrasso said quote that the president is doing nothing about the addiction that he has toward spending. let's bring in a.d. stoddard to get her perspective. let's start off by saying what we've heard, the setback, tounder state it, it doesn't sound good, does it? >> no, it doesn't. but this kind of thing does happen a lot towards the end. et cetera always darkest before the dawn and deals have been saved from the rubble like this before. i think that what you're seeing from the republican side is what candy was talking about. previously, a desperate need to be able to find something that they can tell their constituents they supported in terms of cuts. >> it's lot of money to get the unemployment checks going again. to fix the medicare, which is going to raise, cut their pay by almost 30%. a lot of money needs to be found. even as they, to tax some wealthy at the top brackets, there's not enough money in the pot. so the
play brinkmanship with the fiscal cliff. one gop senator is throwing gasoline on the fire, wyoming's john barrasso said quote that the president is doing nothing about the addiction that he has toward spending. let's bring in a.d. stoddard to get her perspective. let's start off by saying what we've heard, the setback, tounder state it, it doesn't sound good, does it? >> no, it doesn't. but this kind of thing does happen a lot towards the end. et cetera always darkest before the dawn and...
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we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand over the fiscal cliff, or our republican colleagues can help lead us off that cliff. hope that is not the case. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in essence telling you what is going on over there because you have to count heads with them as well? >> and not stipulating to any characterization of any information we received. [laughter] i really have no ideas. >> getting them to try to prove this, what are you hearing from the other side, anything? >> what your question is better addressed to the republicans coming out of their conference. we just came out of hours and we know what you tell us as to what is coming out of their caucus. >> we have not had an opportunity to talk to the leadership at this point. >> you have said you preferred a straight up or down vote, is that because of the time were that because of the vice president? >> it was a bill passed in the united states senate 89-8. tell me when you have had that on a measure as controversial as this. >> they had troubles with that one almost to
we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand over the fiscal cliff, or our republican colleagues can help lead us off that cliff. hope that is not the case. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in essence telling you what is going on over there because you have to count heads with them as well? >> and not stipulating to any characterization of any information we received. [laughter] i really have no ideas. >> getting them to try to prove...
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cliff. the senate, which was expected to hold an up and down vote on a final bare bones budget deal last night wasn't quite able to make it happen. harry reid gave us problem or lack thereof. >> there are two sides still apart, and negotiations are continuing as i speak. there's still more before we can bring ledges laying to the floor. what else is new? can anyone save this congress from itself? turns out the new man responsible is vice president joe biden. yep. that's right. joe biden is the latest person to be called on to try to get congress out of the straight jacket they've put themselves in. the vp and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell exchanged phone calls until midnight last night and again this morning, and appeared to be zeroing in on a tax rate compromise in the region of a $450,000 to $550,000 threshold. a higher rate than the president's earlier compromise as well as an agreement on the estate tax. sticking points remain. president obama seemed resigned to going over the c
cliff. the senate, which was expected to hold an up and down vote on a final bare bones budget deal last night wasn't quite able to make it happen. harry reid gave us problem or lack thereof. >> there are two sides still apart, and negotiations are continuing as i speak. there's still more before we can bring ledges laying to the floor. what else is new? can anyone save this congress from itself? turns out the new man responsible is vice president joe biden. yep. that's right. joe biden...
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as i have said to you from day one, democrats want the fiscal cliff. howard dean said on your program, it is the best deal that they are going to get. the republicans would never go along with and they are going to get tax raises on rich people. and when we go off the physical cliff congress goes back into session. republicans are blamed for the bad economy and roger is right. the three programs, social security and medicare and medicaid have been untouched. roger, the reason i give this one cheer out of three cheers, i think he is right. the democrats are salivating to demonize and this deal is the best they are going to get. >> in this one, some people say, that the real hidden agenda is to break the pledge on tax cuts and break the republican party in two. do you agree with that? >> if we break the party is done. >> and you heard what the great roger stone said. is mr. obama in it to break the party or the gop? >> as a democrat, i wish that, but the reality is he is far more liberal than they think he s he wants the deal. regardless of what howard d
as i have said to you from day one, democrats want the fiscal cliff. howard dean said on your program, it is the best deal that they are going to get. the republicans would never go along with and they are going to get tax raises on rich people. and when we go off the physical cliff congress goes back into session. republicans are blamed for the bad economy and roger is right. the three programs, social security and medicare and medicaid have been untouched. roger, the reason i give this one...
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you say, we, republican are not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. can you explain that? >> sure can. yeah, the white house has been very focused on what do we have to do to just get past the fiscal cliff. let's get over this bump and keep spend and keep going. in the house we're actually trying to solve the debt and deficit. let me illustrate this. we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax it is would solve this. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. we're trying to say how do we get out of debt. the president is saying let's get past the fiscal cliff
you say, we, republican are not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. can you explain that? >> sure can. yeah, the white house has been very focused on what do we have to do to just get past the fiscal cliff. let's get over this bump and keep spend and keep going. in the house we're actually trying to solve the debt and deficit. let me illustrate this. we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to...
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republicans say they would like to see any tax revenue that comes out of a fiscal cliff deal used to pay down our trillion dollars deficits. retiring republican senator from arizona, jon kyl, said the democrats want to spend $600 billion and he believes the new tax revenue will be about the same am. to he says not solving anything. for from senator to an today. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and debt. they're suggesting we want new taxes, higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> republicans continue saying they're waiting for harry reid to make a counter offer. >> they're not making that tonight. he's told us that's not going to happen it but they're working on it. a sounds like a change of entitlement programs is irritating them. >> republicans created way of calculating inflation to lower payments to recipients of social security. the senate majority leader offered this update a short time ago. >>> i was really gratified to hear republica
republicans say they would like to see any tax revenue that comes out of a fiscal cliff deal used to pay down our trillion dollars deficits. retiring republican senator from arizona, jon kyl, said the democrats want to spend $600 billion and he believes the new tax revenue will be about the same am. to he says not solving anything. for from senator to an today. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about...
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government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international, who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary clinton is hospitalized with a blood clot, we examine their causes and possible treatments. >> suarez: margaret warner talks to jonathan martin and glenn thrush of politico. their new e-book focuses on the crucial final month of the presidential race between barack obama and mitt romney. test. >> barack obama didn't perform that well until late and romney didn't perform the campaign well. campaign management is more important than an individual candidate's performance. >> woodruff: from boston, hari sreenivasan reports on a city- wide effort to keep kids engaged in education through meaningful work experiences. >> w
government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international, who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary...
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a lot of people speak passionately, i assume about the fiscal cliff before the republican convene in a smaller group. >> reporter: the house convened at 12:00 and what happens when the house convenes, every day they have what's called one-minute speeches. this is one of the opportunities for members of congress to come and say their peace and say what's on their mind and they have one minute. i'm sure what is on all members' mind at this point how they feel about the fiscal cliff deal. >> looking at live pictures of that taking place there. we'll bring you back to get behind the scenes from the gym but also from the floor and whether or not there's anything that's going to come of these meetings, whether or not there's a vote on the house side. there were eight senators who voted against that compromise measure, the opposition coming from both parties yet senate democrats tom harkin, tom carper and michael bennet voting no. so did mike lee, richard shelby, rand paul, chuck %a#zgrassley, o rubio, a tiny minority. the senate passed the fiscal cliff deal with an overwhelming bipartisan
a lot of people speak passionately, i assume about the fiscal cliff before the republican convene in a smaller group. >> reporter: the house convened at 12:00 and what happens when the house convenes, every day they have what's called one-minute speeches. this is one of the opportunities for members of congress to come and say their peace and say what's on their mind and they have one minute. i'm sure what is on all members' mind at this point how they feel about the fiscal cliff deal....
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time for a look at who is talking and the fiscal cliff negotiations that's what president obama is talking about this morning. >> the president spoke to nbc's meet the press about the urgency for congress to act and placed the blame on republicans. >> we have been talking to the republicans ever since the election was over. they have had trouble saying yes to a number of repeated offers. yesterday i had another meeting with the leadership and i suggested if they want kant to a comprehensive package let's at minimum make sure people's taxes don't go up and 2 million people don't lose unemployment insurance. i was optimistic yesterday but we don't see an agreement now the pressure is on congress to produce. if they don't what i have said is in the senate we should introduce legislation that would make sure middle class taxes stay where they are. >> donald trump will react to the current state of the negotiations at 7:00 a.m. eastern. >>> time now for your 5@5:00. the top five stories making news at this hour and a fox news alert. she was supposed to be back on the job this week but hillary c
time for a look at who is talking and the fiscal cliff negotiations that's what president obama is talking about this morning. >> the president spoke to nbc's meet the press about the urgency for congress to act and placed the blame on republicans. >> we have been talking to the republicans ever since the election was over. they have had trouble saying yes to a number of repeated offers. yesterday i had another meeting with the leadership and i suggested if they want kant to a...
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government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary clinton is hospitalized with a blood clot, we examine their causes and possible treatments. >> suarez: margaret warner talks to jonathan martin and glenn thrush of politico. their new e-book focuses on the crucial final month of the presidential race between barack obama and mitt romney. test. >> barack obama didn't perform that well until late and romney didn't perform the campaign well. campaign management is more important than an individual candidate's performance. >> woodruff: from boston, hari sreenivasan reports on a city- wide effort to keep kids engaged in education through meaningful work experiences. >> we
government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary...
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he's been laying low but senate minority leader mitch mcdonnell addressing the fiscal cliff. >> now republicans have bent over backwards. we stepped way, way out of our comfort zone, we wanted an agreement. but we had no takers. the phone never rang and now here we are, five days from the new year and we might finally start talking. democrats have had an entire year to put forward a balanced bipartisan proposal and if they had something to fit the bill, i'm sure the majority leader would have been able to deliver the votes the president needed to pass it here in the senate and we wouldn't be in this mess. but here we are, once again, at
he's been laying low but senate minority leader mitch mcdonnell addressing the fiscal cliff. >> now republicans have bent over backwards. we stepped way, way out of our comfort zone, we wanted an agreement. but we had no takers. the phone never rang and now here we are, five days from the new year and we might finally start talking. democrats have had an entire year to put forward a balanced bipartisan proposal and if they had something to fit the bill, i'm sure the majority leader would...
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. >>> breaking news, house republicans have just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff deal worked out by vice president joe biden and senate m minority leader mitch mcconnell. the deal which passed overnight will see income taxes rise on individuals making over $450,000 a year, and families making over $550,000 a year. let's listen in now as house democrats speak. >> caucus meeting which -- in which the vice president not only roused the entire membership, but also gave us a very thoughtful and detailed explanation of what's gone on, and how it was that he and the president working with the democratic and republican leaders in both houses were able to come together on this compromise. we first want to say thank you to the vice president for being so gracious. quite honestly, so frank in his conversation with us in explaining as much as he could about what's transpired over the last several weeks. we now are waiting to hear from our republican colleagues, whether or not they want to do what the senate did in a very bipartisan fashion and give the men people an opportunity to
. >>> breaking news, house republicans have just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff deal worked out by vice president joe biden and senate m minority leader mitch mcconnell. the deal which passed overnight will see income taxes rise on individuals making over $450,000 a year, and families making over $550,000 a year. let's listen in now as house democrats speak. >> caucus meeting which -- in which the vice president not only roused the entire membership, but also...
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goes on to tweet republican's fiscal cliff double think fiscal crisis demands cuts in service, no investment in jobs but allows more tax cuts for richest americans. if and when this comes up for votes in the house and senate, it's unclear how many democrats especially on the left will support this, or buck the president, basically. bret? >> bret: ed henry live in the white house. thank you. stocks started the week up. possibly encouraged early in the day about talk of this possible deal. the dow finished ahead 166. the s&p 500 was up 24. the nasdaq gained 59 another deal not fiscal cliff related. the senate home security committee blasted the state department for failures leading to the deadly september 11th attack on the u.s. mission in benghazi, libya. this comes on the heels of another scathing report by an independent state department accountability review board that we have covered many times. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge has the latest senate report sites the white house for president obama inconsistent statements whether the benghazi assault was terrorist attack
goes on to tweet republican's fiscal cliff double think fiscal crisis demands cuts in service, no investment in jobs but allows more tax cuts for richest americans. if and when this comes up for votes in the house and senate, it's unclear how many democrats especially on the left will support this, or buck the president, basically. bret? >> bret: ed henry live in the white house. thank you. stocks started the week up. possibly encouraged early in the day about talk of this possible deal....
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the leadership for being on vacation as the nation teeters on the edge of the so-called fiscal cliff. house republicans are holding a conference call from their districts that should be starting right about now we are told. steny hoyer urged them to come back to work and find a solution. >> i hope they can conclude as we have concluded and i speak for leader pelosi, myself and all of the democratic leadership that we must come back as soon as possible to work together to reach a compromise to assure that we are address the importance legislation that is still pending in this congress. a congress i believe is the least productive, most con front asianal and least compromising congress in which i have concerned and i've been here since 1981. >> that's saying a lot. at this point, it's not clear whether that conference call we mentioned with the house republicans, it's not clear whether that call meant to give members the 48-hour notice to get back to work. with five days before the spending cuts and tax hikes to take effect, we learned today that negotiators are talking. the white hous
the leadership for being on vacation as the nation teeters on the edge of the so-called fiscal cliff. house republicans are holding a conference call from their districts that should be starting right about now we are told. steny hoyer urged them to come back to work and find a solution. >> i hope they can conclude as we have concluded and i speak for leader pelosi, myself and all of the democratic leadership that we must come back as soon as possible to work together to reach a...
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republicans to date, once the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, it's the democrats who could revolve. as soon as taxes go up tomorrow and republicans will be racing, democrats assume, will be racing to find a way to bring taxes down, and many democrats are of the opinion that that will give democrats enormous leverage come tomorrow. they'll have more negotiating power come tomorrow. you might see democrats tomorrow be even less willing to sign on to this deal. in 24 hours, democrats might like today's deal even less, wolf. >> it's getting more and more complicated as the delay continues over at the white house. are they at least suggesting that if we go over the cliff tomorrow, that there's still a possibility that both -- let's say the senate doesn't act tonight, that they act sometime tomorrow. they say they can still resolve this, so for practical purposes, the worst parts of this fiscal cliff won't be really felt by the american public? >> absolutely. the problems are not technical. in terms of putting off the taxation and what has to be done mechanically with the irs, so that am
republicans to date, once the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, it's the democrats who could revolve. as soon as taxes go up tomorrow and republicans will be racing, democrats assume, will be racing to find a way to bring taxes down, and many democrats are of the opinion that that will give democrats enormous leverage come tomorrow. they'll have more negotiating power come tomorrow. you might see democrats tomorrow be even less willing to sign on to this deal. in 24 hours, democrats might like...
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democrats and republicans are unable to make a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. let's get political insight on the recent setback on the fiscal cliff discussions. i'm joined by richard good stein and robert trainm. a former communications director for rick santorum. talks have broken down for the moment. what do you think is going on behind closed doors right now on capitol hill? >> i think a lot more is going on than we know. i think the staff as well as perhaps maybe leader mcconnell and vice president biden and the administration are probably trying to hammer out some type of a deal here. i know there is consternation about the chain cpi. the president said even though this is unpopular i am willing to talk a little bit about chain cpi. now that the president said this let's talk about this and try to compromise here. >> there have been several phone conversations today between senator reid and president obama. what is your take on the white house involvement? >> well, look, obviously the white house is pivotal here. i mean, the president litigated all of thes
democrats and republicans are unable to make a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. let's get political insight on the recent setback on the fiscal cliff discussions. i'm joined by richard good stein and robert trainm. a former communications director for rick santorum. talks have broken down for the moment. what do you think is going on behind closed doors right now on capitol hill? >> i think a lot more is going on than we know. i think the staff as well as perhaps maybe leader mcconnell and...
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to avoid the fiscal cliff and deal with the deficit in a balanced way. in fact, as we know, republicans like tom cole, a very conservative member from oklahoma, and others have said that that approach makes sense. and yet the speaker refuses to allow a vote on that proposal. and so allow democracy to work and so far unfortunately, speaker boehner has been held captive with the tea party wing of the republicans in the house, which voted down his own proposal just about a week ago, because he said, well, we should ask folks making over $1 million to pay more. his caucus said no. so what we're saying is, let the whole house, democrats and republicans, vote on the president's proposal. let democracy work its will. worst case scenario is that would be defeated. but you don't know until you hold a vote in the house of representatives. that's how democracy is supposed to work. it's not supposed to allow a small, extreme group within the republican caucus to dictate terms to the country. >> there is some indication from the hill that the call to bring vice presi
to avoid the fiscal cliff and deal with the deficit in a balanced way. in fact, as we know, republicans like tom cole, a very conservative member from oklahoma, and others have said that that approach makes sense. and yet the speaker refuses to allow a vote on that proposal. and so allow democracy to work and so far unfortunately, speaker boehner has been held captive with the tea party wing of the republicans in the house, which voted down his own proposal just about a week ago, because he...
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it is our last, best, and only hope for stopping this fiscal cliff business. we are going to speak to a republican lawmaker in a moment, and marcia blackburn and in the meantime, you are watching the speciacoverage here on cnn and don lemon and me and our colleagues in washington. we will be right back. s with adding a friend, ♪ ♪ could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on. offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> as republicans and democrats are at an impasse, both sides are blaming each other, and the markets will open up by the way in asia in the next couple of hours and you might start to see a reaction, but although, i don't know what they have to react to, but our own markets will open in 14 hours from now here in the united states. maybe they will react to something, too, but my point is that congress could ruin a good economy. for perspective, we will talk to a republican from tennessee, representative marcia blackburn. thank you for being with us. >> good t
it is our last, best, and only hope for stopping this fiscal cliff business. we are going to speak to a republican lawmaker in a moment, and marcia blackburn and in the meantime, you are watching the speciacoverage here on cnn and don lemon and me and our colleagues in washington. we will be right back. s with adding a friend, ♪ ♪ could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on. offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of...
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maybe they should join spending anonymous. >> fiscal cliff frustration. the fate of your next paycheck sits with the house of representatives. the senate passed a bill early this morning, but the house republicans, including the majority leader say that they need to see more spending cuts on the table. vice president joe biden is trying to broker a deal in the house the same way he did in the senate. reporter danielle nottingham with more. >> reporter: house gop members left closed
maybe they should join spending anonymous. >> fiscal cliff frustration. the fate of your next paycheck sits with the house of representatives. the senate passed a bill early this morning, but the house republicans, including the majority leader say that they need to see more spending cuts on the table. vice president joe biden is trying to broker a deal in the house the same way he did in the senate. reporter danielle nottingham with more. >> reporter: house gop members left closed
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cliff deal continued, but house republican leaders opted not to vote on anything tonight. that meant the government will >> the house adjourned for tomorrow so the government is guaranteed to go over the fiscal cliff, at least for the moment. and doctors at a new york hospital announced secretary of state hillary clinton has a blood clot between the school and brain. but they said she's making excellent progress. we're capturing new year's eve celebrations around the world and you can be a part of kwame holman has the details. >> holman: we're tracking instagram with the hashtag "nye" to see how people around the world are ringing in 2013. tag yours tonight to be a part of our interactive map. on "ask larry," our social security sage offers tips on maximizing benefits for you and your spouse. and from our partners at kaiser health news, what the new health care law says about gun ownership. all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. ray? >> suarez: and that's the newshour for tonight. on tuesday, we have an update on the ongoing recovery efforts in the devasta
cliff deal continued, but house republican leaders opted not to vote on anything tonight. that meant the government will >> the house adjourned for tomorrow so the government is guaranteed to go over the fiscal cliff, at least for the moment. and doctors at a new york hospital announced secretary of state hillary clinton has a blood clot between the school and brain. but they said she's making excellent progress. we're capturing new year's eve celebrations around the world and you can be...
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obama making remarks about the fiscal cliff aired it earlier today. he put much of the blame on shoulders of the republicans if no deal is reached. the gop fired back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. correspondent s henry is live from the white house. >> he is frustrated going on a talk show today in the middle of the negotiations. he has not been on one of the programs since 2009. he felt it was important to get the message out there. you are right he was pounding the same message again and again f. we go up the fiscal cliff for not meeting them halfway. >>> not because democrats and congre congre congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but i think it has been hard for speaker boehner and republican mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest should go up a little bit sweas well as a deficit reduction package. if they can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation to make sure the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> republicans are expressing frustration sa
obama making remarks about the fiscal cliff aired it earlier today. he put much of the blame on shoulders of the republicans if no deal is reached. the gop fired back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. correspondent s henry is live from the white house. >> he is frustrated going on a talk show today in the middle of the negotiations. he has not been on one of the programs since 2009. he felt it was important to get the message out there. you are right he was...
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the fiscal cliff deal approvaled overwhelmingly faces strong opposition by house republicans. in fact, the number two house republican leader says he does not support it and now a new deadline threatens to send it back to the drawing board. and dana bash is on capitol hill. dana, what is the latest as far as the republican majority in the house is concerned? >> reporter: the latest, wolf, is that republicans will reconvene and have a second meeting in 15 minutes. down this hall, house republican leaders are still huddling but they announced that they are going to call republicans back together. perhaps that is because they have an idea of the the game plan that they want to pursue after they heard for about an hour and a half this afternoon from their rank and file by all accounts there certainly is a lot of interpret pi dags and voting to simply approve what the senate passed last night not only overwhelmingly, 90% of the senate voted for it, but it passed overwhelmingly among the fellow republicans. again, the percentage is about 90% of senate republicans voted in favor of t
the fiscal cliff deal approvaled overwhelmingly faces strong opposition by house republicans. in fact, the number two house republican leader says he does not support it and now a new deadline threatens to send it back to the drawing board. and dana bash is on capitol hill. dana, what is the latest as far as the republican majority in the house is concerned? >> reporter: the latest, wolf, is that republicans will reconvene and have a second meeting in 15 minutes. down this hall, house...
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will lead us over the fiscal cliff. i hope that is not what they want us to do. every indication right now is that the republican congress continues to not work in good faith with the president. there is still time left -- i hope
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>>> as we continue to keep an eye on the fiscal cliff, the republicans continue to meet behind closed doors, a meeting described as a bit noisy and excited. the democrats just finished their meeting with vice president joe biden. that was described as an evangelical meeting. still unclear whether a vote by the house will take place on the bill that was passed by the senate or whether in fact they will amend it and send it back to the senate. joining us from washington, bob cusack, the managing editor of the online journal the hill. and, so, bob what is the latest word you have as to what is going on and whether in fact john boehner can get his people together to vote for this? >> well, it is going to be very difficult. house republicans don't like the senate passed bill, even though it passed 89-8. it looks like the house will pass something to return it back to the senate. they'll amend it in some way, it looks like, because they don't like this $4 trillion price tag that just came out over the last ten minutes, cbo just released that. and this is just a tough vote for house conserva
>>> as we continue to keep an eye on the fiscal cliff, the republicans continue to meet behind closed doors, a meeting described as a bit noisy and excited. the democrats just finished their meeting with vice president joe biden. that was described as an evangelical meeting. still unclear whether a vote by the house will take place on the bill that was passed by the senate or whether in fact they will amend it and send it back to the senate. joining us from washington, bob cusack, the...
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our big story, america has gone over the fiscal cliff. now the country awaits a vote in congress. >> there was a plan from the senate, but the republican- controlled house has yet to vote on the deal. jennifer johnson has the details. >> a tense new year for house speaker john boehner as he meets with fellow republicans over whether to ok the fiscal cliff bill passed overwhelmingly by the senate. >> gop leaders have not agreed to allow the house to vote or amended the bill. >> i think more members want this to pass them and are willing to vote for it. you have to be practical about what is the best thing you can do given the circumstances. >> vice president joe biden back >> vice president joe biden back on the hill
our big story, america has gone over the fiscal cliff. now the country awaits a vote in congress. >> there was a plan from the senate, but the republican- controlled house has yet to vote on the deal. jennifer johnson has the details. >> a tense new year for house speaker john boehner as he meets with fellow republicans over whether to ok the fiscal cliff bill passed overwhelmingly by the senate. >> gop leaders have not agreed to allow the house to vote or amended the bill....
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. >> trace: i'm trace gallagher in for shepard smith it looks like we will go over the fiscal cliff at midnight. economists have been warning us the combination of tax hikes and spending cuts could cause another recession. now, president obama and the senate republican leaders say they are close to a deal to prevent tax hikes on the middle class. the trouble is, the house has gone home and won't be voting on anything tonight. >> for now, our most immediate priority is to stop taxes going up for middle class families starting tomorrow. i think that is a modest goal that we can accomplish. >> we all want to protect taxpayers, and we can get it done now. right now. >> trace: officials tell fox news agreement would let tax cuts expire on $450,000 instead of the president's cut off $250,000. extend unemployment benefits for another year it does not include any new spending cuts. of course, that's the other big issue in this fiscal cliff standoff. we have team fox coverage. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill. but first to ed henry at the white house. ed, it looks as if we are taking the pl
. >> trace: i'm trace gallagher in for shepard smith it looks like we will go over the fiscal cliff at midnight. economists have been warning us the combination of tax hikes and spending cuts could cause another recession. now, president obama and the senate republican leaders say they are close to a deal to prevent tax hikes on the middle class. the trouble is, the house has gone home and won't be voting on anything tonight. >> for now, our most immediate priority is to stop taxes...
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caller: yes, i am glad to something being done about the fiscal cliff. the american people need to understand that the republicans put us in this situation, because when bill clinton left office, he left with a surplus. the republicans spent all the money. we went into recession. then president obama came on scene, and he brought us out of the recession, and it takes money to get out of recession. now they are trying to blame him for all of the spending. mitch mcconnell, he is a disgrace to the senate floor. he said he one of the president to be a one-term president. the people voted obama back in. host: the minority leader, mitch mcconnell, has been negotiating with the vice president joe biden to come to some sort of agreement. what you make of that? caller: i'm talking about what mitch mcconnell said in the beginning. he did not want to work with this president. the want it to see him fail. they're hurting the american people by not helping obama. obama is good for the country, but people that listen to rush limbaugh, sarah palin, and fox news, that i
caller: yes, i am glad to something being done about the fiscal cliff. the american people need to understand that the republicans put us in this situation, because when bill clinton left office, he left with a surplus. the republicans spent all the money. we went into recession. then president obama came on scene, and he brought us out of the recession, and it takes money to get out of recession. now they are trying to blame him for all of the spending. mitch mcconnell, he is a disgrace to the...
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we're basically over the fiscal cliff tomorrow. the administration and democrats can provide basically a middle class tax cut, introduce legislation providing tax cuts and restoring spending cuts and republicans would be hard pressed not to vote for it. remember, also, there will be more democrats in congress. >> i'm going to ask you this, then, one of your complaints was by raising the threshold to $450,000 for couples, $400,000 for individuals, you go from raising $800 billion to about $500 billion, which you don't think is sufficient nlt. but if you're not prepared to see taxes raised on the middle class, you want this threshold to be lower, and you're not really that interested in entitlement cuts, you made that pretty clear, where actually do you deal with curtailing the growth in the deficit and the debt? >> i go first of all to military defense cuts. we have a bloated military. our military right now, our military spending is larger than the next 13 military budgets, the next 13 nations put together. i would also go after co
we're basically over the fiscal cliff tomorrow. the administration and democrats can provide basically a middle class tax cut, introduce legislation providing tax cuts and restoring spending cuts and republicans would be hard pressed not to vote for it. remember, also, there will be more democrats in congress. >> i'm going to ask you this, then, one of your complaints was by raising the threshold to $450,000 for couples, $400,000 for individuals, you go from raising $800 billion to about...
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. >> next, talking about the fiscal cliff. john thune. >> thank you for the update. midafternoon today, senator john thune spoke with reporters on where things stand on the fiscal cliff. >> where do things stand as far as a republican deal? >> republicans advanced a proposal last night and you heard senator mcconnell talk about it on the floor. we're still waiting for a counteroffer. there was an indication we would receive the by 10:00 this morning, but discussions still continue. senator mcconnell and vice president joe biden are continuing to discuss this and we think there still could be a path forward. democrats have come out and made a huge deal out of changing this and republicans are very concerned that it should not be used as an offset to reduce or replace some of the spending cuts that would occur and democrats put forward an alternative. this is a process. there's a lot of give-and-take going on. republicans do not want to see new revenue, democratic tax increases, being used for new spending. that is where many members are drawing the line. >> you all wa
. >> next, talking about the fiscal cliff. john thune. >> thank you for the update. midafternoon today, senator john thune spoke with reporters on where things stand on the fiscal cliff. >> where do things stand as far as a republican deal? >> republicans advanced a proposal last night and you heard senator mcconnell talk about it on the floor. we're still waiting for a counteroffer. there was an indication we would receive the by 10:00 this morning, but discussions...
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gerri: we have been saying, congress will not need the midnight deadline to avert the fiscal cliff. congress will not. the negotiations continue into tomorrow. let's bring in a congressman who will be critical to the process. republican of wisconsin, a member of the house budget cmittee. welcome back to the show. great to see you here. first, breaking news detail i want to get your reaction to. we just heard the vice-president will meet with senate democrats tonight. what do you think that's abou? >> i'm not exactly sure. unless they're having some type of problem with e spending side of the equation, i never have reached some type of agreement on taxes, but know that makes mcconnell was working with vice-presidentbiden on the spending side. and so there may be some person that has to go on the senate democrats to get the bill passed gerri: arm-twisting everywhere. let's talk about this potential deal as it has been outlined to us. we would have tax hikes on folks with incomes above 400,000 if your single, above water and 50,000 if you're a cople. permanent patch to anc, the alterna
gerri: we have been saying, congress will not need the midnight deadline to avert the fiscal cliff. congress will not. the negotiations continue into tomorrow. let's bring in a congressman who will be critical to the process. republican of wisconsin, a member of the house budget cmittee. welcome back to the show. great to see you here. first, breaking news detail i want to get your reaction to. we just heard the vice-president will meet with senate democrats tonight. what do you think that's...
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cliff, that republicans will get the blame? >> well, of course they will. because republicans get blamed if it rains if washington. that shouldn't be the test here, it shouldn't be the consideration. but senator reid has had it within his power since spring to amend the house bill and send it back with whatever changes he wanted. that's what the constitution says. sadly, they've given speeches instead of getting the job done. but nobody, nobody wants taxes to go up on middle class americans. and i hope that everybody works real hard over the weekend. a lot of americans have to work on the weekend. i don't think it's a big deal that we have to work this weekend. >> it's not a big deal and you should all be working this weekend. listen, a few weeks ago it looked like speaker boehner and president obama were pretty close on a grand bargain. maybe not as big as should would hope. it looked like the president was saying, we'll raise that top rate and offer some entitlement reform. social security changes, cpi. some talk of raising t
cliff, that republicans will get the blame? >> well, of course they will. because republicans get blamed if it rains if washington. that shouldn't be the test here, it shouldn't be the consideration. but senator reid has had it within his power since spring to amend the house bill and send it back with whatever changes he wanted. that's what the constitution says. sadly, they've given speeches instead of getting the job done. but nobody, nobody wants taxes to go up on middle class...
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will lead us over the fiscal cliff. i hope that is not what they want us to do. every indication right now is that the republican congress continues to not work in good faith with the president. there is still time left -- i hope they will come to their senses and do the right thing. >> thank you. it is our intent to caucus every day we are here, and we will be engaging with the press after those caucuses as well. i apologize -- we will have to go up and vote. thank you so much. >> we spoke to a capitol hill reporter for an update on negotiations for the fiscal cliff. >> we have had a topsy-turvy day. a lot of sound. not a lot of action. we have democrats who started the day and said, the republicans' three and a demand and benefits are paid out. that was a non-starter. the democrats said we will not move until republicans take that off the table here the republicans say, we put that out in an offer. we are waiting to see where they are. both sides huddled this afternoon with their respective caucuses. they said, we are
will lead us over the fiscal cliff. i hope that is not what they want us to do. every indication right now is that the republican congress continues to not work in good faith with the president. there is still time left -- i hope they will come to their senses and do the right thing. >> thank you. it is our intent to caucus every day we are here, and we will be engaging with the press after those caucuses as well. i apologize -- we will have to go up and vote. thank you so much. >>...
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. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from rising. >> arthel: to other stories. a judge ordering a psychiatric evaluation for a woman suspected of shoving a man off a new york public is way platform. he was arraigned last night on murder and hate crime. she confessed to pushing a man in front of a moving train telling them, i hindus and muslims. co-worker was was behind due. >> gregg: two missing boys from georgia have been found in texas an amber alert was issued, ages nine and seven when they didn't come back from a visit from their dad on wednesday. somebody recognized the trio and caught up with them in austin. now their father is fac
. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from...
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cliff. republicans want to see more deficit reduction. democrats say that could come later, but this would be a smaller plan. there are really some serious differences and not a lot of time left. congress has created its own deadline to this so-called fiscal cliff and now has to live by it over the next several hours to see if something can get done. erica? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. chuck todd is nbc's political director. kelly mentioned some constructive movement but then there's this chasm we keep hearing about. is there a chance for a deal? >> i think -- i want to say yes, there's a chance for a deal! they're not that far apart. it really depends on the political motivations of the people at the negotiating table. you think about joe biden and mitch mcconnell, mitch mcconnell is totally looking at this through a political lens, what is in the best interest of republicans in his view? from what i understand in his view he thinks what's in the best interest of the republican party is g
cliff. republicans want to see more deficit reduction. democrats say that could come later, but this would be a smaller plan. there are really some serious differences and not a lot of time left. congress has created its own deadline to this so-called fiscal cliff and now has to live by it over the next several hours to see if something can get done. erica? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. chuck todd is nbc's political director. kelly mentioned some constructive movement but then there's...
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again, i repeat that republican and democrat plans to solve the fiscal cliff have nothing, are not reducing the deficit one iota. >> basically, i'm going to have to spend my prime years and t folks i know, spend their prime years paying off the interest payments. the fact of the matter is in the interest, social security and medicare will consume the budget in the near future, right when i probably want to be starting a business, getting my life going enough razzle want to get their life going. instead, will be paying taxes on lobbying indentured servants of the government. this is absolutely immoral to have this happen. this is what congress is passing on to us and is why conservatives in the house and senate need to be serious about these fiscal cliff tops, especially about the debt ceiling, not just sitting back and saying president obama won the election. if we don't act now my generation will spend our prime years being servants of the government, and that's not right. tom: i hope you do. i give you one more step before you go. the amount of interest that we pay on the debt that china
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he said if republicans stop they will be to blame for the fiscal cliff. what role do you have in this don't you have to show leadership to break the imabout passe? the president went back to pointing the finger at republicans. take a list. >> speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. if folks can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> now, what the president s correct about s that in the negotiations with speaker boehner in recent weeks the president was giving on social security and med did i kay changes that democrats were not excited about but speaker benito walked away -- but speaker boehner walked away from those negotiations. senator mitch mcconnell said in the last couple of days when got a phone call from the president saying let's try to come back to the table and work this out. mcconnell said that is the first time he heard
he said if republicans stop they will be to blame for the fiscal cliff. what role do you have in this don't you have to show leadership to break the imabout passe? the president went back to pointing the finger at republicans. take a list. >> speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. if folks can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of...
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. >> a special because we are talking about the fiscal cliff, an especially bad year for republicans, not only losing the presidency by four points and lost winnable senate seats. they got slaughtered with latinos, problems with young people, women. the democrats, they obviously did not win back the house. the senate looks like will be tough in 2014. looking at the fiscal cliff on the democrat side, it is very important that the president convince people that he's serious about the deficit in 2013 and for republicans one of my resolutions is that they try to not be the party of the rich any longer. both party haves a perception problem. the exit polls bared that out. the election bared that out and passing the fiscal cliff and looks like we will have kind of another temporary crisis in the next month or three months, they again have to fight the stereotypes and label that is built up. >> one of those jumped out at me. maybe run it by you. for the democrats, the argument of don't offend gun owners and manners, you don't want to offend anybody needlessly, a voter or group. i get that. y
. >> a special because we are talking about the fiscal cliff, an especially bad year for republicans, not only losing the presidency by four points and lost winnable senate seats. they got slaughtered with latinos, problems with young people, women. the democrats, they obviously did not win back the house. the senate looks like will be tough in 2014. looking at the fiscal cliff on the democrat side, it is very important that the president convince people that he's serious about the...
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what seems to be a bitter stalemate between democrats and republicans on the fiscal cliff, we have learned of a bit of change this evening with the negotiations. for one, we have learned that the senate will reconvene tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. that means no decision tonight. we have also learned senator mitch mcconnell, the republican minority leader, has had conversations directly with vice president biden. mcconnell had been working with senate majority leader harry reid, but he and biden have gotten things done when working together in the past. can they do it now? let's go to dana bash. dana, what do you think? is it promising? can they go it now? >> reporter: well, let's start there. it certainly has happened before between these two men, and it's happened before when democrats on capitol hill are either split or have gotten, frankly, just too frustrated with the republican counterparts to have conversations to be able to find bipartisan agreement. these are the two men who negotiated an extension of the bush era tax cuts for two years. that happened two years ago when republicans had a
what seems to be a bitter stalemate between democrats and republicans on the fiscal cliff, we have learned of a bit of change this evening with the negotiations. for one, we have learned that the senate will reconvene tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. that means no decision tonight. we have also learned senator mitch mcconnell, the republican minority leader, has had conversations directly with vice president biden. mcconnell had been working with senate majority leader harry reid, but he and biden have...
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where is the house republican conference now in their mentality on making a deal on the fiscal cliff, and is there reason for optimism if something does get produced from the senate sometime today? >> you know, i think there is reason for optimism, first of all, because, chris, you have to remember, we actually passed as part of our budget in the spring an alternative to this possess. we did another such bill in august, and then before we left prayer to plan b, we passed a third bill, so we're glad to see the senate move, and when they do, we'll have something to sink our teeth into. we might not necessarily accept it as-is. there will be some amending, i suppose, lots of debate, but i think that the house is ready to act. the difference between a senate proposal now and plan b last week is that this time we will not need to pass it only on republican votes. we'll have democrats who will be moving forward, and so i think you'll get a vote. >> let me follow-up on that, because i think it's an important point. john boehner's speakership took a hit. you can debate how big or how small. h
where is the house republican conference now in their mentality on making a deal on the fiscal cliff, and is there reason for optimism if something does get produced from the senate sometime today? >> you know, i think there is reason for optimism, first of all, because, chris, you have to remember, we actually passed as part of our budget in the spring an alternative to this possess. we did another such bill in august, and then before we left prayer to plan b, we passed a third bill, so...